So if we were to have the bulb on for eight hours every day (two hours in the morning and six hours in the evening, for instance—possibly longer on the weekends), this means that it would only last shy of three and a … b. However, 90% of the failures were the drivers…About 10% were LED failures which then knackered the drivers. The strobascopic flicker makes me dizzy and nauseous. One assumes. By the time the bulb fails at turn-on, it’s because the middle of the filament has gotten thin enough that it melts. That’s up to six times longer than the shortest-lived halogen bulbs. There is usually a slight efficiency bonus on higher colour temp (more daylight/bluish) LEDs, but filling your house with 4000-5000k bulbs based on efficiency alone makes it feel like you’re at the supermarket, not at home. I was skeptical, but bought a couple because they were cheap. A place I used to work had 400 volt AC fluorescent fixtures. I’m not sure, but maybe there would be significant savings by keeping these bulbs lit? Ubiquity has some panels and I know Williams Lighting has a few different Luminaires. Then there’s one 73 Watt halogen bulb hanging off the ceiling. However, you are assuming that our comparison was solely based a light meter under the light… which is not true. The other bulbs that were in sockets that had more ventilation have unsurprisingly outlived those in the ceiling fan. This was used as an example case of QA failures. I knew they limited the lifespan of products in order to keep prices down and the consumer buying more often – but that was for household appliences, not simple lightbulbs! The difference between passive cooling any semiconductor and not adequately is the difference between success and failure. For “serious” lighting jobs I use at least 24V ones. That 11% more brightness also meant the color temperature went up, and controlling for the lifespan (filament temperature) means the color of the light, efficiency, and power rating became consistent between bulbs. These LED headlight bulbs are long-lasting, giving up to 100 percent more light compared to stock headlights. Lux-meter shows higher brightness for same wattage – consumer is happy and thinks they got more for the money. Even with just dumb driver it is easy to implement dimming by connecting few strips in series and bridging one by motion sensor relay, or other clever tricks. GU10 Halogen Light Bulb, 120 Volt/50 Watt / 500 Lumens/MR16 Dimmable Light Bulbs,Warm White, Energy Saving High Efficiency Halogen Indoor Flood Light Bulbs,Long Lasting Lifespan,6-Pack 4.6 … I don’t have any tungsten lamps to measure right now, but last time I measured one, the cold resistance was around 30 ohms, which would indicate a 400 W surge. The extra complexity of the circuitry only means more opportunity for failure. Not to say that they are lying about all what they claim. For general lighting, directional lights aren’t more efficient because you actually don’t want to throw the light at the floor – you want to throw it everywhere around in order to provide diffuse ambient light that lights up the whole space. Cougar Motor LED Headlight Bulbs The ideal balance of price, performance, and longevity, Cougar Motor’s LED headlight bulbs offer 7200 lumens per … If you look at the led, it looks white, but they will light a room very poorly, strongly emphasizing blue and yellow, with very weak reds and greens. You can feel the heat from it’s base nearly like an incandescent. Since the LED bulbs contain a number of parts, it’s natural to ask which ones might be responsible for failures. Recently I bought a cheap LED shop light which had string of LEDs as well as the driver electronics were mounted directly on the long metal frame — the entire fixture was the heat sink and I don’t think anything got much above 40C. So far, they’ve run a couple years no problem. The first generation Led bulbs (40w equ.) I’d love to see one about dimming circuits next, especially if you’d be so kind as to explain why the minimum brightness of LED bulbs is so much brighter than a dimmed incandescent. Two systems in series: System Reliability = Ra*Rb, Two systems in parallel: System Reliability = 1-(1-Ra)*(1-Rb). They mostly do this due to the high inrush current peak. life time 190.000 h ?? If so, someone did not properly run your dimming control wire (more than likely anyhow). Funny thing is that I have some of those “$2 Home Depot with SMUD discount LED Bulbs” from years ago and never had any issues with them. We found that by upgrading from 3000k to a 4000k brightness bulb had a slightly higher cost, we could lower that current draw down to 75ma. LED’s work exactly opposite way – many under-watted LEDs are more efficient than few over-watted ones. transformers who are huge and replaced with their miracle hankypanky part ?? Different bulb and electricity prices would skew the optimal lifetime, but it seems pretty reasonable that the mandated 1000 hr lifetime is a consumer protection regulation rather than an industry conspiracy to rip off consumers. Oh, and a bridge rectifier. I just installed a ceiling light with color temp adjustment. This is the bulb’s Average Rated Life (ARL) — it’s  the length of time for 50% of an initial sample of bulbs to fail (abbreviated B50). Is it true? Known issue with blue LEDs, I have also seen the same problem on frequently used keyboard lights (normally the Scrl Lock) whereas Caps and Num are affected less severely. It’s hard enough to recycle anything these days, because the Chinese won’t take it any more. There’s more to an LED bulb than just the LEDs. Each LEDs drops around 8.5 V at 50 mA, so they contain 3 chips; like the GE Classic bulb, this one uses 48 total LED dice. 4000k is a good compromise of the two. They’re either welded or compression/spring loaded because in a failure the solder would melt away either way. The best led light bulbs, from standard a19 bulbs to candelabra bulbs with small bases. There’s usually an adjustment screw on them somewhere that sets the minimum chop voltage on the triacs. You can also under-watt them. This is the closest thing I see: https://corporate.homedepot.com/sites/default/files/2019_Responsibility%20Report.pdf (page 83) … but it just says how much was recycled, not what they mean by “recycled”. I’ve taken a look at some of the technical issues in LED lighting. I think the idea was they used more power being switched on and off than by just leaving them on. The whole recycling fiasco is now, well, a dumpster fire. In other words, no more crappy LED “bulbs” for me! Philips X-Treme Vision These are the brightest, whitest, and longest lasting (for a high performance bulb) as I’ve found to-date. Silicon fabrication, plastics fab, etc. Always with “efficiency”, “carbon emissions”, etc. I leave a couple night lights on, though, figure out to about 16 cents a year as my contribution to global warming. The minimum safe “on” time she never told me. That tape is pretty flimsy. First, the color spectrum is completely different. :( Interestingly, this bulb also contains a metal-oxide varistor for transient suppression. So with this lighting system the LEDs I have will last a heck of a lot longer. I suspect it’s cheaper to print the 100,000 hour numbers on the package, than actually spend time testing. The best LED light bulbs, from standard A19 bulbs to candelabra bulbs with small bases. E.G.2. The one excluded having been term!inated by 40KW genny and overzealous newbie *crunchy. The filter capacitor on the switcher output is an aluminum electrolytic rated for 130 °C. The cheapest LEDs don’t have a power supply driver – no electrolytic capacitors – they have two LED strings in opposite directions with a constant current limiter. You only have to look at the CRI rating on the box. But it really does seem to be a crapshoot – you DON’T get what you pay for. Would be better if these LEDs had this mode of failing designed in, like some of the old Christmas tree lights where al the incandescent bulbs where connected serially. It’s totally possible you could salvage a few more years out of a bulb, but it’s also possible this isn’t really worth it, as the author points out. Purkinje’s effect means we get less sensitive to the light as you turn the dimmer down, because color vision starts to dissapear at lower lighting levels. It’s not much to go on, but what conclusions can we draw from the design of these three bulbs? The screw in bulb form factor makes a terrible heat sink. I have been working with LED Lighting for about 9 years now and my experience has been: a. Also, our 14.7W LED (retrofit) VS 32W T8 comparison was based upon the exact same fixture in order to have an apples to apples comparison. The trade-off for a longer lifespan is higher cost and a (sometimes) a need for new lamps that are compatible with modern bulbs. The question then becomes, do you want to save money or a negligible amount of time changing a tube a year sooner. And therefore also used more electricity. Jan Mrázek has updated the project titled RB0004 – NeopixelBooster. Mario Gianota has added a new log for Hackaday Clock A Day Entry: CMOS Logic Clock. Maybe the problem is astroturfing for certain brands? As you describe many people seem to love conspiracy shit. One of the main advantages of buying LED bulbs is that they last a long time, and these bulbs will keep going for up to 50,000 hours. The LED can last that long, but the supporting electronics for dimmable bulbs, and whatever else they need, is the week spot . If you could prove to me that the standards have been in place since before the conspiracy is claimed then i would be more inclined to believe you but until then…. Run the emitters at 1/3rd the current that the bulb makers do. Blue OLEDs are not much better, the compound used is IIRC an anthracene derivative and it burns. Epoxy in PCBs offgassing, plastics offgassing, electrolytics offgassing, etc. In my experience the most common failure is in the bond wires. But sadly it looked very greenish and it had an intolerable high pitched noise. I don’t see any politicians getting enthused about it, either. Since these two bulbs were in different rooms, I never saw them side-by-side, so didn’t notice how bad the lumen depreciation and color shift had become. I have not read them all yet. Usually the LED flickers and only dims down to 80% of full brightness — unacceptable for this dimmer freak. Though if the MTBF of those parts count in the millions of hours (such as a simple filter coil), then the question of reduced reliability through part count is really only nitpicking, considering that the extra parts make the other parts last longer. 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I put a new LED bulb in an outdoor fixture, and there is no perceptible flicker EXCEPT when it is snowing and each flake near the light has a stroboscopic trail. Below that is where the badness of the light starts to become obvious. You can actually get a display from an old phone and see how often they keyboard has been used! Every single time ive called they just mail me a new one for free. Consumers want cheap LED bulbs, so manufacturer’s skimp on the power supply circuitry. You wouldn’t install one for a glovebox light…, I have a bunch of dollar store and cheap Lowes bulbs. Fluorescent lights typically use three-color narrow-band phosphors, red, green, and blue, with very obvious spikes in the emission spectra at each. LED bulbs are just poorly done. Many LEDs have a constant current power supply which eliminates the problem; many do not because they are expensive, big, and heavy. Regarding planned obsolescence of incandescents: When I was a lad (US, 1950s) you could buy one set of bulbs for your house and never buy a replacement. I was worried it will be not really economical because of the batteries…guess what – not only power bill went down, motion sensing kept LED’s on for short enough batteries needed to be recharged just once per year… Not to mention fact those sources are autonomous and mobile caused ppl to carry them to just mosty used places, like iluminating key hole or car driveway. Once I show them the quality of light produced by my favorite fancy bulbs, and prove to them that the bulbs will pay for themselves within a month or two of lower electric bills, they’re generally more than happy to sign on the dotted line. >” in order to have an apples to apples comparison.”. Outside of the time/effort to document and package the returning driver, the shipping costs (return + replacement) is about the same as the cost of a new driver… So the warranty is pretty much useless. – No I have not heard it about LEDs, though that doesn’t mean much. That is, 3 in parallel, with 4 strings in series. Easy to replace a dud, spreads heat out the cheap way. The best LED headlights are 80% more energy-efficient and they will keep your battery healthy. I don’t know much about the intricate technical issues at hand, but I had new ceiling lighting put into an old house I bought just over a year ago; out of 38 recessed LED trim lights I have (I think 60watt equivalent) only 1 started the deathly flicker after 1 year. The world's longest-lasting light bulb is the Centennial Light located at 4550 East Avenue, Livermore, California. It’s a comparison between an artificial light emitter, which spike at certain wavelenth and varies by lamp, and daylight, which has a nice curve. The room is dimmer, except directly underneath the bulb. and it was reported in the trade press. Be it a direct short to ground, an hot dog cooker, sock warmer or heaven forbid a light bulb! Finally, the 25,000-hour Cree bulb uses an electrolytic capacitor rated for 130 °C as opposed to the 105 °C caps in the other two. When Home Depot started selling Cree’s, they had a “store return” policy for dead bulbs. I grow with house hold leds I use use a couple filament Leds and six 1600lm 16w 100w eq the filament leds 50% failed in a month but have great spectrum for seedlings and the 100w got really hot so after a year I took them apart and installed heat sinks with fans which only draw 12v .1A and its been running for another year to date I would say the the first year I lost 15% of the lumens and the second year they lost 5% more heat is definitely a killer in 100w house leds oh ya my lights run 24/7 so they ultimately never get rest but are well cooled. These products replace the standard 60w bulbs used so commonly in homes and offices, and are advertised as lasting more than twenty years under normal usage conditions. Where the hell do you buy your Panels? The unreliable brands won’t go away, because they keep switching the brands, relying on the fact that they can sell at least a few batches before they are discovered as bad products. I wouldn’t use them in a glovebox, true…, Here I sit, in my apartment, all might lighting using the same 8w Great Value Walmart bulbs I purchased for $20 a 12 pack 2 years ago. Solar Flares And Radio Communications — How Precarious Are Our Electronics? Just thermally connecting the LEDs to aluminum doesn’t solve the heat problem — the aluminum needs to be connected to a radiator or orther room temperature sink. However, to claim the warranty one must send the driver back to a depot in the US + pay for return and reimportation of the replacement driver. Both of these components suffer from a failure rate that is a strong function of temperature. Nobody has complained. As for “warranties”… hogwash I say. By the way, the 2019 Prius gets 50/54 mpg. It’s a lot more flexible than I went into in my rather brief description. It will effectively use bigger heatsinks and heavier components than an equivalent bulb for that light output. The goal is to improve lighting and energy efficiency on the actual work areas which tend to be downward from the fixture and not the walls or the ceiling. LED bulbs are generally heavier than incandescents, more weight shipping = more fuel. Now if the only made a 100w BR40 version… ???? Mostly, they are several times better than incandescent bulbs and most fluorescent bulbs. In the few places in my house where I want dimming control I still go with halogen bulbs. to 1.5 in. Longest lasting headlight bulbs? Facinating article. Likewise, with the spectrum, they can vary a lot. When we built our house five years ago, I put LEDs in every socket. That said, unlike with incandescents, you can get high lumen 2700k, or dim 5000k bulbs. Point being that in order to light up a _room_ you want the light onto the walls and ceiling as well to create diffuse light that doesn’t cast shadows. Replacements were ridiculously expensive, of course, although they could be repaired easily. I have a fixture in the laundry room that has a Leviton motion sensor/photocell switch that bleeds residual current. So when the power goes out I have lights on. The fire department claims that the bulb is at least 119 years old (installed 1901) and has only been turned off a handful of times. These lights are intended to replace the best 9006 LED bulbs for your low beams, high beams, and fog lights. I think brands like Phi1l1ps have at least a little bit of quality control. Or, did we not know enough about LED aging to predict the true useful life of a bulb? I suspect that replacing industrially soldered surface mount components with some home soldered bits will not actually increase the life of the board in a substantial way. Did the lumen output remain comparable, or did you just make all the lights dimmer and bluer? Interestingly, the LEDs themselves account for only 10% of the failures; driver circuitry, on the other hand, was responsible almost 60% of the time. It’s a box inside the fan that was intended to lower consumption of incandescents. And, low-voltage lighting isn’t subject to the same code constraints as 120/220V wiring. And far as I can tell she switched them off when she wasn’t using them just like everyone else. I’ve seen those. That can be quite variable. I’ve also noticed that along with 100,000 hour claimed lifetimes disappearing, so have the massive cast-aluminum heat sinks earlier LED bulbs used. (majority non-recyclable) Run incandescents until they burn out, and leave the ones in the closets alone. As technology improves efficiency even further, heat generation in the lamp will become less of an issue. It … Both the 9w and 6w varieties described above are listed by various manufacturers as being good for between 30,000 and 35,000 hours, but a few factors can influence exactly how long a bulb lasts. I guess it is because of module needing to have a small current available to detect if the lamp is physically turned on. In almost all cases the failures were the drivers and not the LED themselves. Plus, you can save up to 90% energy and money by switching to LED bulbs! This is an issue I’m wringing my hands over. He bought a few of those expensive 300 watt equivalent things the size of a large can of beer, the electronics are cooped up in the hot horn of the reflector. Your argument may be valid in terms of lm/W in favor for Fluorescent… but with Fluorescent tubes have a higher fixture cavity loss and so more lumens are needed to light an area than LED (e.g. We don’t have a good ewaste recycling here in New Zealand either (expect any ewaste gets shipped to 3rd world countries to be manually pulled apart in less than ideal situations). It was the energy utility. The last time I replaced them, I put one LED and on one 60w equ. In fact to minimise customer complaints, the standard filament with a declared life of 1000 hours typically has an average design life of 1200 hours.” http://lamptech.co.uk/Documents/IN%20Life.htm. If anything, there was a “special CFL bulb” (ie, a lamp with a pin base, usually requiring an external electronic ballast) but now you can get a (much longer-lasting, much lower-voltage, instant-on, better-light-quality) LED to replace any of those “special” CFL lights if your home was built with them in it. I moved into a fairly new home two years ago. Notice that there is almost no film or coating on the glass of the bulb. If you want efficiency, you’d rather replace the standard 48″ tubes with standard 48″ tubes with an electronic ballast. How did you test it? Untraining people from habits built over a couple of generations is a big issue. In fact it seems that the last person to touch the light is the one that has to honor the warranty claim. Manufacturers use these ARL values to forecast how many years a bulb will last based on using the bulb a specified number of hours per day (typically 3). During the 8 ½ years these were in service, one failed completely. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel, >”Were the initial estimates just over-optimistic? Bulbs used to cost 25 CENTS or so each, often 4 cheapo branded at 99 cents for 4 compared to the LED ones that can cost 4 bucks to over 20 dollars EACH ! My Cree 100W light bulbs all failed within a year. Not too much heat in that socket end, the best price point. Greed & Games make me Waste Time stopping for fuel – unnecessarily ! That’s because they can take the nominal power of the LED dies and print that on the box as the power rating of the bulb, even though each LED only runs half the time. In its current state, it throws off as much light as a modern 4-watt incandescent. Dimmers are the reason I haven’t replaced most of my incandescent bulbs. They are also much more powerful than the Halogen ones. (it’s been that way from day one actually). Phoebus continued to exert influence on the market until World War II ended its reign. Watch the Film Gas Hole. glass, argon, phosphor, alumin[i]um rings at each end, brass contacts, a tiny bit of tungsten, and a drop of mercury. Cramming the power supply, with it’s heat-sensitive components, into a small form factor bulb along with the emitters is a recipe for short lifetime. Then ship it. About those incandesent lights: I bought a fixture from Lowes which had a CC driver, but the LEDs were wired in series-parallel. 194 (WHITE) LED Bulb . I want our purchaser to get those multiple socket-sockets that have 4 to 7 sockets in a cluster to replace those legacy 300 watt high bay porcelain reflector bulbs and use the cheapest 60watt type. For all who have a little bit of brains and knowledge about led just take a look. And yes, these are brand-name bulbs from Cree and GE. That’s known as the Bathtub curve. LED bulb failure mechanisms are complex and fundamentally different from the well-known incandescents. Interesting, I’ve been seeing LED bulb failures in one of my ceiling fans and I sort of assumed it was due to vibration. They burned out after about 9 months. So how much longer do these more-expensive bulbs last than older bulbs? The age of A19 and similar bulb sockets will have to end in order to realize the full potential of LED lighting. So, what happened to those 100,000 hour residential LED bulbs? Quandary: Why There’s No Such Thing as “Built to Last”, Centennial Bulb (click to see a webcam of the lamp), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathtub_curve, http://lamptech.co.uk/Documents/IN%20Life.htm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel, https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/reviews/g164/incandescent-vs-compact-fluorescent-vs-led-ultimate-light-bulb-test/, https://corporate.homedepot.com/sites/default/files/2019_Responsibility%20Report.pdf, Active Camouflage Material Shows Promise At Hiding From Infrared Or Visual Detection, Amazon’s Custom T-Shirt May Rub You The Wrong Way. The issues here are above my paygrade, but aren’t LEDs much more sensitive to being turned on and off? And BTW, as far as bulb life, I have a half dozen BR40 100w 130V Sylvania bulbs, on old-school Lutron Skylark dimmers, that are used for hours, multiple times each day, that the bulbs have not been replaced since we moved in the house… 25 years ago! That is a special case where you would save even more by placing spotlights on the work stations instead of overhead tubes – but that would probably create annoying contrasts. Ironically, today, with standardized CRI, color temperature, and power ratings, the effect is the same: incandecent lightbulb lifespan is the same between all manufacturers without a cartel being in place. Although I couldn’t determine what the house-marked (“BYSACT”) driver IC was, the lack of any inductive components on the PCB indicates this is another linear supply. All the while, in principle dimming an LED would be such an easy thing to do. I take CFLs apart, recycle the tubes, and repurpose the electronics. Additionally, a 40watt equivalent loose ‘globe’ LED bulb I have also just started flickering, probably after similar 200hrs. So… comparing lumens where you need it, you will find that LED are way more efficient. We have not yet tested many multi-color LED kits, as there are not many out there, but the Boslla Bullet's are among the brightest bulbs we have tested yet in white mode, with the added benefit of additional colors (read full review for details). The display is still very legible with the reduced current, but there’s nothing I can do for the numerous units already in the field. The aluminum PCB does nothing but equalize the temperature between all the LEDs. SYLVANIA LED bulbs deliver a balanced combination of performance and value. The surge failure IS what makes most incandescent lamps fail at turn-on, but this isn’t as big a factor as you would think. The remainder of failures were due to housing problems, which may not be as applicable for bulbs in indoor use. Though you may still have to have an ‘off’ switch if the driver won’t dim all the way down to zero, but you can buy standard decora mount ‘dimmers’ with that both built in. Ironically, the most efficient and best CRI LEDs are hybrid designs with external phosphors, making them work like fluorescent tubes. Distribution losses at 12V are pretty awful, though, and modern wall warts are pretty efficient. Bet that takes a while! It is my personal opinion that the corporations are entirely capable of such a nefarious plot and quite a few corporations have been repeatedly caught in such acts (you know, the rivers on fire kind of thing). Well, no, we really don’t care, because all those things are pretty much negligible. As an extra bonus, they will be twice as power efficient as the premade ones (check the spec sheets, they may list lumens/watt at low current). diameters or find LED replacement bulbs for your chandelier light bulbs . 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