The.25,.30,.32 Remington cartridges were loosely based on a rimless version of the.30-30 Winchester while the.35 Remington was based on a rimless version of the slightly wider bodied.30-40 Krag. The .358 Winchester and the .35 Whelan cartridges offer great performance on large game, but are ignored with a passion by most hunters. Privacy Policy • Contact Us • Warnings • FAQs • © 2021 National Rifle Association of America, Remington Model 700 American Hunter Rifle Project, Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Ambassadors, NRA Outstanding Achievement Youth Award Presented by Brownells, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum, .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum. Well there are more 35 bullets out there and if you hand load 358 win is a slightly better way to go, can do anything the 338 fed can with hand loads yet you can load down and shoot .357 pistol cast too. vs. .300 WSM• .223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington, E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: EmediaHunter@nrahq.org, For questions/comments about American Hunter magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org, You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Hunter, visit nramediakit.com for more information. It ain't a beanfield rifle. Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! The relationship in performance between the .358 Win and the .35 Whelen is similar to that between the .308 Win and the .30-06. Components are readily available, but factory ammunition is as limited for the .350 Remington as it is for the .358 Winchester. Nov 12, 2010 #8. weagle Senior Member. 200-grain bullet to almost 2500 f.p.s. Aside from the wildcats and obsolete stuff, there are the 35 Remington, 356 Winchester, 358 Winchester, 350 Remington Magnum, 35 Whelen, and 358 Norma Magnum. The .358 Winchester has been described as a short version of the .35 Whelen, though based on the .308. Winchester’s design was simply the .308 case necked up to hold .358″ diameter bullets, offering 200-grain bullets at just under 2500 fps and 250-grain bullets at 2250 fps for a marked increase in both velocity and striking energy. I've been thinking about why the .356 Winchester in the Marlin 336 didn't make it and I've come to the conclusion that if you trim the .356 case to the same length as the .35 Remington, the latter has 95% the volume of the former; and, in an action that will only handle a round just about 2.5" long, the difference between the two cartridges loaded to the same … They would develop the 308 in the 1954 time period. Especially if you consider that most published data that I found for the 358 Winchester … It was Saturday, January 17, 2009, when I made my usual trip to the Sweede Road Rod and Gun Club located in Pigeontown, PA for a little range work. in a 15" Encore vs. the .35 Rem. It seems that the only .35 caliber rifle cartridge that keeps hanging on is the good old .35 Remington, and that is chambered in just one lever action rifle. The 243 Winchester and the 358 Winchester are both developed from the 308 cartridge design. The 35's head size is .460 to the ‘06s size of .473...the length is 1.9 inches vs. the .358 Win case of 2 inches....so the closeness of the cases in … In the past, the 358 Yeti has been compared by many to the 35 Rem cartridge in terms of performance but the actual numbers I have been personally experiencing (using Shooter's World Blackout powder) puts the Yeti real close and in some cases squarely in the 358 Winchester range. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The 35 Remington also was a early 35 caliber rifle and is still around today with good reason. The best "more than .35 Remington" chambering for the TCs is the .358 JDJ. Single Shot 223,243,270,06,308 to 357 Maximum, 358 Win or 35 Whelen My good pal Dave deMoulpied has a Model 700 Classic in .350 Remington, and we’ve handloaded for that cartridge for well over a decade, achieving sub-MOA groups from 200-grain Hornady InterLocks, 225-grain North Fork softpoints, and 250-grain Hornady round nose softpoints. Components are readily available, but factory ammunition is as limited for the.350 Remington as it is for the.358 Winchester. Its also why I have a Whelen instead of a 358 Winchester or a 350 Remington Magnum. Hardware: CCI Maxi-Mag Segmented HP 22 WMR, 2021 National Rifle Association of America. Both easily give 3000 pounds of muzzle energy with many loads. A reader of this series wrote in, asking for this one in particular. better hold on tight. The 35's head size is .460 to the ‘06s size of .473...the length is 1.9 inches vs. the .358 Win case of 2 inches....so the closeness of the cases in size and appearance can fool the casual observer. The 600 and 660 were all but gone by 1970, but the .350 remained an option in the Model 700 rifle. Coef.=.282) - I have just received in the mail 100 of these pointy 200 grainers (200 PSPCL - see pic to the right). While we’ve experienced a wave of short magnum-mania over the last two decades, the craze actually began in the mid-1960s, when Remington released in the .350 Remington Magnum and 6.5 Remington Magnum in 1965 and 1966, respectively. That is quite a few cartridges considering that there is not a single best selling rifle cartridge in the bunch. But the 358 will do it with less powder, shorter actions, shorter brass, and shorter barrels than the 30-06. It can truly perform as a longer range handgun. The .356 Winchester is nothing more then a rimmed .358. Remington helped promote the advantage in power that the .35 Remington had over the .30-30 through a series of advertising campaigns in the early 1900s. Bullet Type Primer. Mag.• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington• 7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington• .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum• .338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum• .30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington• .257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage• .270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington• .35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser• .416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum• .308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield• .22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie• .300 Win. Both cartridges are an excellent choice for bears of any species when loaded with the heavier 250-grain bullets, and make a good choice for the larger species of African plains game. But it will perform well in the pines and oak flats. Needless to say, the original release of the .350 Remington Magnum was a flash in the pan. Used Savage 110s in .243,.308 are common and inexpensive. The best "more than.35 Remington" chambering for the TCs is the.358 JDJ. It has a case capacity between that of the .358 Win. It was introduced in 1955 by Winchester and chambered in their Model 70 rifle as well as the Model 88 lever-action. Many do not realize that the 35 Remington case is not based on the 358 Winchester case, nor does it have the ‘06 head size. thks tiggere & ken : I appreciate the comments. So, let’s look at the battle between the short-action .35s and examine the pros and cons of each. One of their advertisements even publicized the ability of the .35 Remington to penetrate a 5/16″ steel plate, which the .30-30 Winchester could not do. Nosler offers excellent ammunition featuring their 225-grain Partition at 2550 fps, and there are other smaller companies, like Hunting Shack Magnum, that will provide quality ammunition for the owner of a .350 Remington. The .358 can be loaded to .35 Rem ballistics and work great with heavy - but not excessive - recoil. For a .35 Whelen, start with a used .270 or 30-06. ALL 158 gr 170 gr 180 gr 200 gr 220 gr 250 gr. 35 Remington case is not based on the 358 Winchester case, nor does it have the ‘06 head size. You may have a candidate already there! The cartridge was offered in the Winchester Model 70 bolt-action rifle and Model 88 lever-action rifle, and Savage offered it in the classic Model 99 lever gun. So which of the short .35s make the better choice for a prospective buyer? The other 35's are in classes of their own. Mag. My latest Whelen has a 26 inch barrel and weighs around 9.5 lbs with scope. I'm after longer range and greater wounding potential. The cartridge is relatively easy on the shoulder, is available in a fast-cycling rifle, and while ammunition and rifles are definitely limited, owners of the .358 Winchester sing the praises of the cartridge. These spire points are a tough big game bullet and should be capable of being used on big bear at magnum levels up to 3000 fps MV. I can say that the .350 Remington Magnum—at least in the rifles I've shot—will definitely let you know it’s a magnum, especially from the bench, but its recoil can be managed by most shooters. I think they might be better than the Hornady 200 spire points (which are tough too - see … A 200gr .358 pill @ 2100fps is no slouch. .. the 7mm-08 is a little flatter...little faster...with less energy (obviously .30 vs. 7mm)...but it allows you more options in bullets so you can tailor it to suit your needs...I don't reload and to be able to get factory ammo is very important...BTW Remington also has a factory 120 grain load available...gonna go get a couple boxes from BPS tomorrow to play with as they are "seasonal"... A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. That list, by the way, is in ascending order of power. By this time, the Whelen crowd is screaming at the screen, “Why not just shoot a Whelen and solve all the problems?” There is a certain attraction to those stubby .35s; they offer plenty of power in a compact package, and there is certainly room for these cartridges in a highly-competitive market. I do believe that the 358 Norma is too much in the 338 Mag class to be of much use. The .350 Remington Magnum can drive a 250-grain bullet to nearly 2400 fps, and a 200-grain bullet to over 2700 fps. It created a round more powerful than the .35 Remington and .348 Winchester. It was later offered in the classic Savage Model 99 and may still be available in the Browning BLR. It kills with authority at your average deer hunting distances. From a 14" Contender you can easily get 2300 fps with 225s and from an Encore you should be able to get that or better even with 250s or closer to 2500 fps with the 225s as you are not limited to the same pressure levels in the Encore with it that you are in the Contender. Pistol; Rifle; Cowboy; GR. The .35 Rem. There were numerous .35-caliber rifle cartridges born in the 20th century, but most of them didn’t live to see the dawning of the 21st century. JavaScript is disabled. .30-06 Springfield: Is it Still the Best All-Around Big-Game Hunting Cartridge? 270 & 30-06 35 Whelen. and.35 Whelen and a RIM which is really nice in TCs. The.358 Winchester is the least powerful.358 when compared to the.35 Whelen and.358 Norma, but that’s not the whole story. The 1952 release of the .308 Winchester sparked a short-action revolution; it compared well with the .30-06 Springfield in the game fields, and came in a shorter package that hunters appreciated. I love them both, have … My .358 Rem 700 started as a .243 Win and thanks to this forum I sent it to JES and have been happy as can be. The .358win is also efficient, but in a handgun? The.35 Remington uses the 180- and 200-grain.358″caliber bullets, and while light-for-caliber, they are effective at the ranges a.35 Remington is used, which is usually inside of 150 yards. Then if he needs to hunt larger game or shoot at longer ranges the .358 can be loaded up. .35rem is one of those efficient rounds that doesn't need a whole lot of barrel, or powder for that matter, to get 2000fps w/200g bullets. The concept of a magnum-level cartridge in a short-barreled rifle usually doesn’t work out, as the additional velocity that the magnum cartridge is designed to achieve is lost in the short barrel. Some think that the cartridge is only good as a short-range and woods round, but it is adequate for any North American big game. 760 Remington 243, 300 Sav & 308 358 Winchester. The 358 Winchester round would be developed in 1955 by the Winchester firearms company and would be developed from the 308 Winchester cartridge. was simply a .308 Win. Mag. Although its case is smaller, ballistically the.358 Win. is nearly identical to the larger.348. 338 Federal vs 308 Winchester vs 358 Winchester: What You Need To Know 35 Whelen: The Poor Man’s Magnum America’s “Other Levergun” by Glen E. Fryxell, The Great Model 8 & 81 by Richard Jones, Bullet Frontal Area List , by Chuck Hawks, and the Lyman 50th Edition (p309-310) and Hornady 10th Edition (p682-683) reloading manuals were used as references for this article. Based on a necked up.308 Winchester case, the.358 Winchester is still powerful enough for interior Alaskan bears and is perhaps the best brush and thick timber cartridge ever developed. Comparing muzzle velocities with 200 grain bullets, the.356 Winchester (@ 2460 fps) is closer to the.358 Winchester (@2490) than it is the.35 Remington (@ 2020). Get one and send to JES for a .358 Win rebore. 300 yds probably stretches either one, but they are both certainly capable if a person familiarizes himself with the trajectory and practices enough. Take a look at the list of .35-caliber … If the story ended there this would be … As much as I love the .358 Winchester, I feel a shooter would be better served with the additional velocity of the .350 Remington Magnum, in spite of the fact that the magazine capacity will be compromised by the fatter case. Accordingly, both of these cartridges are best served with spitzers which have shorter, steeper ogives, or by round-nose bullets. Nov 12, 2010 #8. djackson67 said: 308 is the way to go, but even a 30/30 is "more Powerful" than a 35. a 35's … Of the two, which serves the hunter better? The .358 Win. Surviving .35-caliber cartridges introduced as factory offerings include the .35 Remington (1906); .356 Winchester (1980); .358 Winchester (1955); .35 Whelen (1987); and .350 Remington Magnum (1965). by Philip Massaro -
Powder ALL Accurate 2015 Accurate 2230 Accurate 2460 Accurate 2495 Accurate 2520 Accurate 5744 Alliant Powder Reloder 7 Hodgdon Benchmark Hodgdon BL-C(2) Hodgdon H322 Hodgdon H335 Hodgdon H4198 Hodgdon H4895 Hodgdon … Another benefit is that this round … in that Encore, for greater versatility. It is capable of driving a. Based on the belted Holland & Holland case shortened to fit in a .308-length action, Remington released the pair in the Model 600 bolt-action carbine, and later in the Model 660, both of which had barrels on the shorter side; 18.5″ and 20″, respectively. Mag. The.358 Winchester is one of the best commercial (non-magnum).35-caliber cartridges turned out by any American manufacturer. Both cartridges will have issues with the longer spitzer bullets, as the magazine limitations won’t allow those bullets to be seated out far enough so the case mouth is on the shank of the bullet. We've got you covered.• .22-250 Remington vs. .220 Swift• .270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM• .26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum• .458 Win. With the right bullets it is not far behind the .308 in field performance out to 250 yards. Today the .35 caliber family, at least in North America, includes the .357 Magnum, .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. Not surprisingly, the company dropped the Model 71 just two years later. Depending upon the bullet, expect at least 200-300 fps more from the .358 Win. I've owned .35 Remington, .358 Win, .357 Mag and MAX in various pistols and rifles but never a .350 RM. Look in your gun safe. With a longer barrel, the cartridge delivers ballistics which are knocking on the door of the longer .35 Whelen, albeit in a shorter, fatter cartridge. The 358 Win and 35 Whelen are both excellent cartridges and very similar. He is a big fan of .35 caliber cartridges, and was looking for a short, light rifle, but was torn between the .358 Winchester and the .350 Remington Magnum. Even the obscure .358 Norma Magnum is the most efficient of the belted-magnum cartridges [note - by the author's own data the 350 Remington Magnum bests the 358 Norma]. To appease those hunters who wanted more punch, Winchester offered a necked-up .35-caliber version of the .308, the .358 Win. I do believe that a .338-08 would make one heck of a marketing … I was afraid the 358 would have a lot of bump to it as well as fall a bit short of the 308 possibilities...I also have a couple thousand 308 rounds in match and hunting configuration that sway me that way.. considered the 7 30 waters and the 7mm -08 and the 270, but first : I don't have another gun in those rounds; second : the 308 can do more things in more situations, and third : I just like 30 caliber bullets in long guns, though I have killed a lot of deer with smaller diameter bullets from 243 through 277 and 284. they all work, it is just the 308 does what I liked about the old '06 : DRT every time with the exception of one time, ever for me...and that was a less than good shot.. still got the buck though after a little tracking job and a finisher at about ten yards for safety and kindness. Nosler offers excellent ammunition featuring their 225-grain Partition at 2550 fps, and there are other smaller companies, like Hunting Shack Magnum, that will provide quality ammunition for the owner of a.350 Remington. The .358 Winchester was not merely a deer/black bear cartridge; it gave the .35 caliber fans a cartridge valid for all North American hunting, including big brown bears. 303 Savage 35 Remington. Ken W. also indicated the Ruger 77 had more room [length] in it's action and magazine for bullet seating compared to Remington's 600/660 and even the 700 … Which is the more useful cartridge? Far more … But that is where it all stops..the 35 Rem is a 40,000+ CUP round … Though I got my Ruger in .358, I note the “run” was short … Registered. The club boasts … It’s a big improvement over the.35 Remington, slightly more powerful than the old.35 Winchester, and … Just like with factory ammo, there are a BUNCH of different .308″ bullets for reloaders to choose from. 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